Faster Depreciating cars
- Thread starter Chevrolet
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IMO, to much tech for fun in a performance car. looks good to some but maybe boring to drive , and well you cant drive fast much at all on roads these days.
Most modern every day cars today are boring, no style class look at all. Engine or EV.
Just a quick though but some, few, modern cars are nice. i mean cars of today.........in last 20 years atleast. in last 5 years welllllll.
Most modern every day cars today are boring, no style class look at all. Engine or EV.
Just a quick though but some, few, modern cars are nice. i mean cars of today.........in last 20 years atleast. in last 5 years welllllll.
CaptainK
CCCUK Member
Anything with "driver assistance" stuff like "lane assist" etc stuck on at startup can just depreciate all the way into hell for all I care. Sucks the fun out of driving completely, and IMHO is extremely dangerous as they just want to kill you when they are on. I've now thankfully found out how to turn them off in my 73 plate Skoda, but annoyingly have to do it every time I start the engine. Still, got into my routine now of doing them all before I set off.... shame about the wasted fuel / increased emissions as I sit there for a while each time turning them off.
Dorsetsteve
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Depends on my experience/opinion. Our family car has it, and it’s more of a suggestion rather than interference. Thats a BMW. The lane assist on the VW we tested I didn’t like it and Mazdas version if agree with your assessment that it’s dangerous.
Roscobbc
Moderator
A BMW I had featured this. Only once didn it get the autonomous braking 'wrong' in 50K miles of use - when travelling along a single carriageway road and on a bend there was a centre refuge for pedestians when crossing with illuminated bollards. The car 'read' that as a stationary vehicle and very briefly slammed the brakes on.
Yet in the couple of times when perhaps I had left braking far too late and when it should have 'worked' - it didn't seem to - I had the distinct impression that it application would have been far too late........
A buddy of mine had the same car (but a diffent spec') and his autonomous system kept emergency braking for no reason - creating neck strain issues for the driver and his older passenger.
Dorsetsteve
Busy user
We had that with our Skoda. It would phantom brake, over pedestrians on the pavement. Did it to my wife when she was pregnant, 25-0 very quickly, there was someone stood waiting to cross a high street. We even sent it it back to the dealer and it as apparently fine… that was on a 65 plate.
The BMW which is on a 23 hasn’t done it, yet. The Volvo on a 70 plate, if I remember correctly did it once, a brief jab not a full on stop.
Perhaps it’s a technology this is slowly improving?
I had a hire Clio last year with the lane assist, cruise control that automatically slows you down to retain the gaps etc. I have to say it was pretty good. I did only drive it about 500 miles though.
Roscobbc
Moderator
That involuntary braking issues for me didn't create any issues with following vehicles......but on todays overcrowded roads and many drivers not observing sensible distances behind other vehicles the implications of someone running in to your rear-end are obvious.
OK, so one should always travel at a safe distance behind other vehicles so anyone stuffing in to your rear-end is going to be the trailing drivers responsibilty............presuming they are insured. What about the inconvenience of it all - perhaps your NCB? - what about if at the scene of the accident the other driver berates you for stopping suddenly without reason........you mention "it was nothing to do with me - it was the car's braking system" wonder what the other drivers insurers will think of that? - will blame/responsibilty be transferred to car manufacturer or go 50/50 on repair costs?
CaptainK
CCCUK Member
I have it on the family car, the 73 plate Skoda. With it on, its like driving on ice the car feels in the corners, it also tries to pull you into oncoming cars or the hedges. Once my wife had it on on the motorway and it tried to pull her into a lorry. Enough's enough of that dangerous rubbish. Once the warranty is up, it'll be off to the tuners to have it set to "off" by default at startup. I mean I have a small child and I don't want to risk his life because some software decides it knows how to drive and just wants to suicide itself. And I'm a software developer, so I know how bad software can be, thus less trusting of it
Dorsetsteve
Busy user
Whilst I and it sounds like many here aren’t sold on these “driving aids” the market is moving that way, ultimately towards removing the most dangerous elements of the car from control in their opinion, the driver… the market also seems to be with SUVs, which surely are counter intuitive to the drive for efficiency.
Chevrolet
CCCUK Member
Think it might be partly (?) an "age related" thing TBH. The "younguns" like their "tech"? I bought a VW daily driver last year. There is a VW "app" for the car. Before you can use that/connect it to the car, you have to prove your identity. To do that, you have to download another "app." That connects you face to face to someone in who knows where, who asks you to hold your passport next to your face to prove your identity. Surreal?
Roscobbc
Moderator
Arguable too with perhaps a comparitvely high roll centre etc to compensate handling issues SUV's will often have 'stiffer' suspension to compensate......some vehicles however seem to have well engineered set-ups with a high elvel of comfort and often with 18" and larger wheels with fat tyres.
Roscobbc
Moderator
And if you don't possess a passport.......hopefully a driving license?
Chevrolet
CCCUK Member
Yes, with a picture.