Onstar is a cop Snitch

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
If you're going to steal a Purple C7 Corvette, be smart enough to disable OnStar first :)
Should be arrested just for being in a purple paint job :)

California Highway Patrol says the General Motors high-tech security system (ONSTAR) played a key role in the apprehension of a stolen C7 Corvette coupe in the San Fernando Valley area around 1:15 p.m. Thursday.
While high-powered sports cars like this purple-wrapped C7 Stingray can sometimes lead police on dangerous high-speed chases, this one came to an uneventful conclusion rather rapidly.

“OnStar contacted CHP Dispatch to notify us” of the stolen Corvette on the 405 near Rossville Boulevard, Sgt. Steven Geraty told FOX 11 News reporter Ed Laskos. “After a short pursuit, about three minutes, the vehicle was disabled by OnStar.”

Aerial video shows five officers immediately surrounding the vehicle, weapons raised, while the suspect raises his hands into the air and is taken into custody.

Inside the Corvette, authorities found narcotics and boxes containing several high-powered assault weapons.

“There were AK-47s involved, and there were handguns, 1911s (pistols), quite a mixture of guns – magazines with an extended drum magazine,” Geraty said. “They’re very dangerous weapons.”

Chris Yzaguirre, who retired from the Los Angeles Police Department after more than 30 years and dozens of chases, tells FOX 11:

“These things happen in a second. They either go perfect or they can go bad, so having OnStar or a feature like that technology is always a plus.”

Yzaguirre knows it’s important for the target of the pursuit to be stopped in a safe area where no else is put at risk, pointing out a key advantage of the GM system is that a pursuing officer “can communicate with OnStar and the other officers, say let’s wait another half a block [so] maybe they’re passing in an area where there’s a low population, and it’s an open field or something like that.”

OnStar tells FOX 11 that it works with law enforcement to stop thieves, explaining:

“An OnStar Advisor can send a signal to disable a stolen vehicle’s engine and gradually slow the vehicle to an idle speed to assist police in attempting to recover a member’s vehicle, once authorities have confirmed conditions are appropriate and safe.”

Yzaguirre also said that the system ensures the car can’t be restarted by the suspect (or and ex wife:), “and isn’t it nice that we can make sure a bad guy doesn’t get a second chance at trying to hurt somebody out there?”

Another important feature of OnStar is that if officers think they may have spotted a potential stolen vehicle, they can ask OnStar to send a signal to flash the taillights a couple of times to confirm it’s the right one while the suspect is totally unaware.072921_9b.jpg
 

Derek Nicol

Well-known user
Ive often wondered why the police cant just get in touch with any cars manufacturer and get them to shut a car down, nearly all modern cars are 'connected' anyway so adding a shut down capability would be easy enough... i can only imagine that the manufacturers dont want to get involved. Maybe if the police offered to pay for each shutdown the manufacturers would be interested? it would save on costly chases with damage to both property and victims often with lives lost.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
Ive often wondered why the police cant just get in touch with any cars manufacturer and get them to shut a car down, nearly all modern cars are 'connected' anyway so adding a shut down capability would be easy enough... i can only imagine that the manufacturers dont want to get involved. Maybe if the police offered to pay for each shutdown the manufacturers would be interested? it would save on costly chases with damage to both property and victims often with lives lost.
I would imagine that police would need to secure a court order to 'shut a car down' - isn't OnStar a universal system that all manufacturers can use in the States? - don't think that an equivalent 'universal' system like that exists here in the UK (or Europe) - perhaps the closest to it would be Tesla's network, BMW's or one of the other supposed 'premium' brands.
 

Derek Nicol

Well-known user
I would imagine that police would need to secure a court order to 'shut a car down' - isn't OnStar a universal system that all manufacturers can use in the States? - don't think that an equivalent 'universal' system like that exists here in the UK (or Europe) - perhaps the closest to it would be Tesla's network, BMW's or one of the other supposed 'premium' brands.

Probably some civil liberties madness like that involved.. dont get me wrong, there is a time and a place for defending your rights but when theres a car thief doing 100mph through red light junctions it isnt the time and place.
I know for certain that Tesla could do it, if they can give me a performance upgrade overnight while the car is sat in my driveway then shutting it down is no problem. I can put it in valet parking mode from my phone app and restrict the power and speed whilst flashing the headlights and sounding the horn and tracking its exact location.
 

Ray Quayle

CCCUK Member
I developed a device that would mount inside the bumper of a police car and fire a wired projectile into the body of a fleeing car and at the flip of a switch would shutdown the electrical system of the fleeing car. I called it the “CARPOON” and the prototype was tested and found extremely effective by several constabularies. Lack of funding halted production of the CARPOON. :ROFLMAO:
 

Derek Nicol

Well-known user
The American police have a system for shooting a 'sticky' gps tracking device from a police car onto the back of a car.
Also they have the Grappler...
They dont seem to use either very often though.
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
I would imagine that police would need to secure a court order to 'shut a car down' - isn't OnStar a universal system that all manufacturers can use in the States? - don't think that an equivalent 'universal' system like that exists here in the UK (or Europe) - perhaps the closest to it would be Tesla's network, BMW's or one of the other supposed 'premium' brands.
Does not need a court order, simple make a complaint to police department and fricking Onstar will react
Where this can be real crap as example
Friend of mine owned a C7 Z06, he filed for divorce from his wife
He moved out of their home

She wanted to screw him over so calls the cops and says their Corvette was stolen (which was a lie as he had it)
Cops use that and has Onstar locate the car and set it, so engine could not start
Cops locate C7 and then give her the car when they did not even bother to also contact the guy

She was so stupid she then sold the C7 as a base model when it was a ZO6

As most may know Onstar was designed by a company in Europe which then sold out to GM many years ago
Of all places Onstar head office is in China and you can dream of what crap they are doing with the GM vehicle owners not knowing it
but for example, if you're speeding, Onstar contacts you and says your speeding and will store that so if needed later by cops in crashes

Here in the USA, many have gone out of their way like with Corvettes to defeat Onstar from functioning
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
No doubt a simple phone call to the cops would allow them to instruct OnStar to track or disable the car in the USA - here in the UK a senior member of the police (county chief constable) or senior judge I'm guessing would need to authorise this action. Not much use when the cars been stolen in the middle of the night and you can't get hold of a signatory.
No doubt though that our secret services can overcome all that - and if the crim being chased has terrorist links they'll be already 'on it'.
 

Derek Nicol

Well-known user
for example, if you're speeding, Onstar contacts you and says your speeding and will store that so if needed later by cops in crashes

Everything is video recorded from multiple cameras on my car and can be used in evidence.
There is even a dedicated YouTube channel set up to show recordings sent to them.. x2 examples..


 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
People really do not know all that a nameplate will do to top what another nameplate is doing

From mid 1980s to early 1990s I worked for GM in Warren Mi at the development tech center
All kinds of crazy stuff would be done to come out with new stuff

At the time GM had bought up as you recall Lotus and where the LT-5 for the C4 ZR-1 and bought up
Howard Hughes companies like the Vstat and electronics

With electronics and controllers starting to be used like the 1984 Corvette we wanted to come up with a way
to do the pre world of On Board Diagnostics (OBD) and knowing most techs at dealer would not understand
the electronics we designed what we called "CAMS"


We came up with an end to end system that the dealer techs bolted to the top of their toolbox was an IBM AT desktop
computer (shown below) that would plug into the vehicles they were repairing.
The CAMS P/C then connected to phone lines via a modem and from there to a central host that would then send
all data via Vstat to Warren Mi Tech center and back to the dealer's tech desktop

This allowed engineering to see live what the dealer tech was seeing and help debug and repair the vehicle's problem

Leading up from this is people are not aware today with Onstar, Bluetooth, cell, etc lots of ways to connect to a vehicle and control it if wanting to.
As example :

I show using a OBD-II scanner using Bluetooth I can connect to a vehicle and in this case override and dictate what the engine RPM will
be overriding what driver is doing

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