New member, almost a new owner

BenCovarde

Regular user
Good morning all,

I wanted to take the time to introduce myself and thank you in advance for all the great help and advice I'm certain I'll find here along the way. As per the title, I am almost a new owner of a '77 c3, in that I put down a deposit yesterday for what will be my first classic and first american. The c3 is something of a dream car for me, and when I stumbled upon some 'cheaper' examples a couple of months ago for sale I realised that I was actually able to afford one. Once I convinced my fiance (didn't take as long as I thought it would), there was no stopping me.

The seller is an active member in this club, I'm sure he'll make himself known or say hi somewhere in the replies, and was genuinely one of the friendliest and most helpful blokes I've met. His passion for american classics was clear to see and, especially as a newbie, I feel confident that I'll be getting a car that I can enjoy for years to come. It's a 1977 model, l82, no rust or rot I'm assured. Pretty original condition, no major faults and running well. It sounds fantastic, and smells even better :ROFLMAO:

Budget constraints did mean I wouldn't be getting a mint example, or perfect colour combination (think mid metallic blue with a dark brown (saddle?) leather interior), but its perfectly usuable and clean, especially for my budget. I look forward to slowly making the car my own (whilst maintaining as much originality as possible) restoring it a little bit at a time, and having a long term hobby/project I can enjoy with my young sons. Having only owned modern cars (bar my first car, 20 years ago, a beige1987 fiesta..at the time more an old banger than a classic!), it'll be a learning curve for me as well. I've undertaken work on my previous cars myself, so I'm not entirely inexperienced and I'm excited about getting my hands dirty.

Over time there'll be a long list of things I'll want to do to make it my perfect car, but my first thoughts turn to the paintwork. A full respray will have to wait a good while yet, but there are a few minor areas or split / lifted paint I'll be looking to patch up on a temporary basis so that they don't worsen. I'll be happy for any advice on the best thing to do with these, but my first thought would be to cut the lifted paint out, fill and find someone able to patch in the paintwork to a respectable level.

There's also a LOT of red on the car. I happened upon the previous listing of the car form an auction house and it seems the vinyl was put on to cover lifting paint work. I have a great guy locally who sign-writes our work vehicles so will be looking to cover up/dumb down that large triangle on the rear deck with something a little more subtle. Again a temporary measure until I can afford a respray. I'm afraid that removing it entirely may do more damage so may have to settle for a black vinyl over the top of it/in the middle to make it more like racing stripes instead. Any ideas or inspiration with regards to this would be appreicated.

Also, should anyone happen to be familiar with the car or its history (I believe the car came from the yorkshire area fairly recently) it'd be lovely to have some previous knowledge or photos to match with the vehicle.

I'm really excited to pick it up when it's ready, and look forward to getting to know you all.

Ben
 

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CaptainK

CCCUK Member
Hello and welcome to the club. Gotta love a C3, lovely looking cars. I see yours has side pipes as well. It's an acquired taste, but I love the side pipes on mine too :)
 

Mr. Cricket

Committee Member
Welcome and congrats on your C3 purchase. I agree with you - that red needs scaling down some and a stripe would look much better.
 

BenCovarde

Regular user
Thank you for the warm welcome!

Something along those lines would be ideal. The main issue I face is that I have no idea what the paintwork is like underneath, and removing the triangle may cause me a whole load of headaches. I was obviously aware of this before I agreed to buy.

As a purely temporary measure, i'd likely get some black vinyl put over most of the centre of the red to break it up. Not ideal, but I'm getting married next year so fixing the paint properly will have to wait until after that.

The sign writer fancies himself a bit of an artist, I'm sure he'll come up with something!
 

CaptainK

CCCUK Member
you make a good point. perhaps i should spend the wedding funds on the car and solve two problems at once :D
I wish I had done that with my first wedding. Thankfully wife number 2 loves my Vette, we used it as our wedding car, and she's said she'd divorce me if I get rid of it, and actively tells me to spend the money doing it up. So nice to have an understanding wife :D

Good luck with your wedding planning, hope you have a fab day :)
 

BenCovarde

Regular user
So there's been some unfortunate developments in the sale.

Having been advertised as the electrics being good, it seems that only the lights are.

Radio, air con, heater, factory alarm, electric windows, all kaput. Of course I only found this out after I had put the deposit down. The key though, was that the written advert said they were good.

Whilst I expect plenty of comments on how things are always going to be broken 😂, once the cost of repairing these is factored in, its a very expensive purchase. I think I was previously mistaken when I said the seller was a member, though I'm sure he had said he was. Perhaps it was part of the charm offensive of the seller.
Anyway, the guy obviously won't fix all of them, he bought the car from auction 6 weeks ago and is simply flipping it for profit, and knowing what he paid for it, its not much profit.

Before I put the deposit down, and found out of the faults, he agreed to fix the power steering.
He supposedly ordered parts for this from the states, so I felt a little sorry for him, but it's his own doing at the end of the day, not familiarising himself with the cars faults before advertising it.

As it was wrongly listed, I'm pulling out, but now face a battle getting my deposit back 🙄. Although I have offered that he keep some of it as a goodwill gesture. Again, he seemed a good guy, but now he's started to turn.

Not the start I wanted to ownership, Aah well.
 

CaptainK

CCCUK Member
Sorry to hear about that. Always hard buying cars where you haven't seen it yourself. I think there is a few here that got bitten like that - myself included. My C3 (pictured in my avatar) was supposed to be all good, no rust, and all working fine etc. Ordered it from a dealer in the states, and it turned up over here needing various fixes to get it through an MOT to be allowed on the road. Since then had a few issues I've had to fix, but now its mostly all good. So yes, expensive car for what I got, but hey its an experience and I do love the car a fair amount, even if it still does have a few little warts here and there.
 

Chuffer

CCCUK Member
Sorry to hear your sad tale too . Such experiences leave a bitter taste and really spoil the car of your dream s . I know only too well as nearly ended up in court with my dealer !:mad:
It could be a lot trickier for you if you bought privately . The guy sounds a real shark if bought at auction to flog on and make a fast buck !
 

BenCovarde

Regular user
A few little warts are to be expected from a 40+ year old car Captain, and part of the fun is putting them right! I'm happy to get my hands dirty and take great satisfaction in working things out myself, as I have done on all my previous, modern cars. I expect things to pop up a-plenty during my ownership, but not lied about before hand. The price was fair without the faults, as it needed some tlc, interior wasn't particularly clean and needed a respray in the not too distant future, but factor in the cost of unknown repairs/replacement of ALL the electricals, bar the lights and gauges, and it's just way too much to fork out for an average condition car.

Chuffer, small claims court is where I'm headed next unfortunately. Luckily I stopped with a deposit and hadn't actually paid the full amount yet, but it wasn't a small deposit. Shark is about the right word I think. I normally pride myself in being a very good judge of character, a little embarrassed to be caught out if I'm honest. He's just a small time trader that seems to buy and sell anything he gets his hands on, but obviously being a trader I have rights. It'll be a nuisance, but I'm confident of getting my money back.

I appreciate your words though chaps. And the good news is that I have found another already. Has belonged to a club member for years. More than I was initially looking to spend, but it's in great condition and is probably my perfect car (bar spending considerably more on mint chrome bumper model).

This ugly business actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise I guess.

Due for delivery tomorrow. I'll get some pics up in due course!
 

Chuffer

CCCUK Member
As he is a trader you have him by the short and curlies . Speak to Trading Standards and also Citizens Advice . Log it with them and you will get a report number and they will step in if you are not dealt with as Consumer Law requires . There is so much stuff on internet to help you with this if you are mot totally up to speed with Consumer Pretection Acts and your legal rights . This is the route I took and at the 11th hour my particular shark finally realised he had tried to shaft the wrong guy and I knew my rights under law and he paid up just days before staring court proceedings . These people pray on the gullible and those that are unaware of their rights and thus hope to get away with it . I also the benefited of years of experience in dealing with contracts , Health & Safety Law and employment rights which helped a lot when you have had real pro`s try to turn you over , not some half arsed car dealer :mad:. Make sure all corresopndance is in letter form and sent recorded delivery , not email , text or phone . That way you you have a paper trail if it goes to court .
Be tenacious , stick to your guns and you will win . Good luck (y)
 

Dazaa

Well-known user
All of the things mentioned as not working are to be expected on a 50 year old car to be honest. None are difficult to fix.
 

BenCovarde

Regular user
If they're described as working, then I disagree, I'd expect them to work, no matter the age of the car. And I'm more concerned about cost than difficulty.
 
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