Reverse lock out query

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
Hi all. Anyone familiar with the reverse lock out system on the C3. Was looking at the steering column under the hood on My 72 whereThe lever isthat is pulled / pushed by the cable , does that need lubrication or greasing ? TiAIMG_8591.jpeg
 

Emc

Supporting vendor
They have ,due to the age and lack of lube to bend at the transmission, so a slow bend in the cable to the transmission and good lubrication of the cable and on the lock arm will help
 

antijam

CCCUK Member
The tube carrying the lever runs in a plastic sleeve inside the steering column and is not designed for lubrication. If yours is stiff (and it's not just the cable binding) you could try some spray lubricant to see if it eases it off. Many of these have been disconnected when stiffness can be a virtue since the lever then remains up without needing to be tied.
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
They have ,due to the age and lack of lube to bend at the transmission, so a slow bend in the cable to the transmission and good lubrication of the cable and on the lock arm will help
Thank you both, it just looked dry and I wondered . Not stiff but I tried it once after reconnecting the cable and it felt a bit stiffer than before we disturbed it. I will check cable clamp position on side of gbox to check outer cable is clamped in the same position. Will lube cable and arm a bit too. It all still looks very new from the rebuild tho that was over ten years ago. πŸ‘
 

Mad4slalom

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It doesn’t look like your rag joint is properly connected to the steering column shaft.
πŸ˜¬πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«eek! Tell me more, funny that, as tim P (I think it was) asked me if I needed a rag joint a few weeks ago! What do you think my issue is ? TiA πŸ‘
 

Oneball

CCCUK Member
Are you looking at the splined section at the bottom of my pic? πŸ‘
Yes. See the flat section milled into it. The clamp bolt that goes through the rag joint should sit in that area so even if it is loose the joint can’t slip off the shaft. Could be your steering column has been collapsed slightly or just the rag joint is too far onto the box.
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
Yes. See the flat section milled into it. The clamp bolt that goes through the rag joint should sit in that area so even if it is loose the joint can’t slip off the shaft. Could be your steering column has been collapsed slightly or just the rag joint is too far onto the box.
Ah yes , I had a similar safety thing on my beach buggy joint, I will investigate in a bit and take a picture of the actual joint. πŸ‘thank you and well spotted 😁
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
They have ,due to the age and lack of lube to bend at the transmission, so a slow bend in the cable to the transmission and good lubrication of the cable and on the lock arm will help
Morning gavin, do you. Remember we spoke about the flat tool to lock the shifter levers when setting the shift rod adjustment? Were you talking about the stock shifter? Mine has a hurst comp, and they describe round holes that you insert a drill bit or screwdriver to align the shifter levers into neutral before adjusting the rods.
Just a thought , as a quick way to check adjustment , can I put gearstick into neutral , with the rods still connected and then insert a drill bit into the holes in the shift levers , and if they are in alignment then adjustment is ok ? Or do I still need to make up the flat tool ?
Hope this makes sense !πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ€£πŸ‘
 

antijam

CCCUK Member
The rag joint connection should look like this.....

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As Oneball suggests, I suspect your column has been partly collapsed. This could easily have resulted from some p.o. struggling with column removal in the past.
 

Oneball

CCCUK Member
Morning gavin, do you. Remember we spoke about the flat tool to lock the shifter levers when setting the shift rod adjustment? Were you talking about the stock shifter? Mine has a hurst comp, and they describe round holes that you insert a drill bit or screwdriver to align the shifter levers into neutral before adjusting the rods.
Just a thought , as a quick way to check adjustment , can I put gearstick into neutral , with the rods still connected and then insert a drill bit into the holes in the shift levers , and if they are in alignment then adjustment is ok ? Or do I still need to make up the flat tool ?
Hope this makes sense !πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ€£πŸ‘
Hurst is super easy. Yes exactly what you say. Think the hole is 1/4”. The flat plate is just for the stock shifter,

To adjust if you need:

Disconnect the rods. Longish bolt through the holes in the shifter from underneath. Reconnect the rods so they slip into the holes easily. Think you need to do it reverse, 3/4, 1/2. But that bit is pretty obvious when you’re under there.
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
Hurst is super easy. Yes exactly what you say. Think the hole is 1/4”. The flat plate is just for the stock shifter,

To adjust if you need:

Disconnect the rods. Longish bolt through the holes in the shifter from underneath. Reconnect the rods so they slip into the holes easily. Think you need to do it reverse, 3/4, 1/2. But that bit is pretty obvious when you’re under there.
Many thanks , back on the ramp later then. I have lubed the lock out lever but I will check the lock out cable to gearbox clamp as I think it may have moved along abit and created a tighter bend as it is a bit stiffer than before .πŸ‘
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
The rag joint connection should look like this.....

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As Oneball suggests, I suspect your column has been partly collapsed. This could easily have resulted from some p.o. struggling with column removal in the past.
Here is a better pic , looks wrong for sure, any suggestions as to what I should do, I thought that the bolt ( on the buggy) could Only fit through in the correct spot, this may be different. I would like to make sure I am not going to turn left instead of right!!😱IMG_8592.jpeg
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
Here is a better pic , looks wrong for sure, any suggestions as to what I should do, I thought that the bolt ( on the buggy) could Only fit through in the correct spot, this may be different. I would like to make sure I am not going to turn left instead of right!!😱View attachment 27112
I have sent the pic to peter in the usa who restored it . I suspect there is another detent where the bolt is now , otherwise the bolt wouldnt fit through ? He will be able to explain Hopefully. πŸ‘
 

Oneball

CCCUK Member
I thought it’d be much nearer the end of the column than that. I thought the flat bit was shorter, but it looks like the bolt is on the flat bit. If the bottom of the rag joint is right on the box case I’d probably just move it up the column and steering box a bit to centralise it slightly.

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Mad4slalom

Well-known user
I thought it’d be much nearer the end of the column than that. I thought the flat bit was shorter, but it looks like the bolt is on the flat bit. If the bottom of the rag joint is right on the box case I’d probably just move it up the column and steering box a bit to centralise it slightly.

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That sounds a good plan thank you πŸ‘
 

Mad4slalom

Well-known user
I thought it’d be much nearer the end of the column than that. I thought the flat bit was shorter, but it looks like the bolt is on the flat bit. If the bottom of the rag joint is right on the box case I’d probably just move it up the column and steering box a bit to centralise it slightly.

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Po’s reply from the states πŸ‘ IMG_8594.png
 

Emc

Supporting vendor
Morning gavin, do you. Remember we spoke about the flat tool to lock the shifter levers when setting the shift rod adjustment? Were you talking about the stock shifter? Mine has a hurst comp, and they describe round holes that you insert a drill bit or screwdriver to align the shifter levers into neutral before adjusting the rods.
Just a thought , as a quick way to check adjustment , can I put gearstick into neutral , with the rods still connected and then insert a drill bit into the holes in the shift levers , and if they are in alignment then adjustment is ok ? Or do I still need to make up the flat tool ?
Hope this makes sense !πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ€£πŸ‘
If your shifter is a hurst, that uses an Allen key to hold the shifter in neutral
 
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