Brits getting scared as to the real facts ?

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Made the USA news here today,
Bet your King is not happy with this ?

London – Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced Wednesday that he’s delaying by five years a ban on new gas and diesel cars that had been due to take force in 2030, watering down climate goals that he said imposed “unacceptable costs” on ordinary people.

The move angered green groups, opposition politicians and large chunks of U.K. industry, but was welcomed by some in the governing Conservative Party, who chafe at the expense of switching to renewable energy.

At a news conference, Sunak said he was moving the deadline for buying new gasoline and diesel cars from 2030 to 2035, and also delaying a ban on new natural-gas home heating that had been due in 2035. He said he would keep a promise to reduce the U.K.’s emissions of climate-warming greenhouse gases to net-zero by 2050, but “in a better, more proportionate way.”

Sunak argued the U.K. was “far ahead of every other country in the world” in transforming to a green economy, but said moving too fast risked “losing the consent of the British people.”

“How can it be right that British citizens are now being told to sacrifice even more than others?" he said.

The government has previously boasted of Britain being a leader in cutting carbon emissions. U.K. greenhouse gas emissions have fallen by 46% from 1990 levels, mainly because of the almost complete removal of coal from electricity generation. The government had pledged to reduce emissions by 68% of 1990 levels by 2030 and to reach net-zero by 2050.

But with just seven years to go until the first goalpost, the government’s climate advisers said in June that the pace of action is “worryingly slow.” Sunak’s decision in July to approve new North Sea oil and gas drilling also spurred critics to question his commitment to climate goals.

Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who brought in the 2030 gasoline car target when he was leader, said businesses “must have certainty about our net-zero commitments.”

“We cannot afford to falter now or in any way lose our ambition for this country,” he said.

News of plans to backtrack broke as senior politicians and diplomats from the U.K. and around the world – as well as heir to the British throne Prince William – gathered at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, where climate is high on the agenda. Sunak is not attending, sending his deputy instead.

Greenpeace U.K. policy director Doug Parr said the prime minister was “taking the public for fools.”

“Rowing back on home insulation and commitments to help people move away from gas will ensure we stay at the mercy of volatile fossil fuels and exploitative energy companies,” Parr said.

Environmentalists were not the only ones blindsided by the move. Automakers, who have invested heavily in the switch to electric vehicles, expressed frustration at the government’s apparent change of plan.

“We’re questioning what is the strategy here, because we need to shift the mobility of road transport away from fossil fuels towards sustainable transport,” said Mike Hawes, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, an industry body.

Ford U.K. head Lisa Brankin said the company had invested 430 million pounds ($530 million) to build electric cars in Britain.

“Our business needs three things from the U.K. government: ambition, commitment and consistency. A relaxation of 2030 would undermine all three,” she said.

Analyst Tara Clee of investment firm Hargreaves Lansdown said the retreat could undermine Britain’s hard-won reputation for leadership on green technology, threatening the wider economy.

“The market has been directing capital to the net-zero transition and has been working in good faith,” Clee said. “These changes send a message that nothing is set in stone, and committing in earnest to a movable goalpost could be a major business risk.”

Britain’s Conservatives have been openly reassessing their climate change promises after a special election result in July that was widely seen as a thumbs-down from voters to a tax on polluting cars.

The party, which trails behind the Labour opposition nationwide, unexpectedly won the contest for the suburban London Uxbridge district by focusing on a divisive levy on older vehicles imposed by London’s Labour mayor, Sadiq Khan. Some Conservatives believe axing green policies is a vote-winner that can help the party avoid defeat in a national election due by the end of next year.

“We’re not going to save the planet by bankrupting the British people,” Home Secretary Suella Braverman said Wednesday.

But Conservative lawmaker Alok Sharma, who chaired the COP26 international climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, warned that it would be “incredibly damaging … if the political consensus that we have forged in our country on the environment and climate action is fractured.”

“And frankly, I really do not believe that it’s going to help any political party electorally which chooses to go down this path,” he told the BBC.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
The UK's position on reducing pollution, carbon emissions, everything energy related has no doubt been arrived at by similar political figures and so-called 'experts' who in most cases do not really know their exhaust pipes from holes in the ground.
"Ford U.K. head Lisa Brankin said the company had invested 430 million pounds ($530 million) to build electric cars in Britain".
Really - is this the same company that decided to stop building/supplying some of the UK's most popular cars, so firstly Mondeo's, then one time best sellers the Focus and now this year the Fiesta choosing to only sell Kuga and larger SUV type vehicles (significantly more expensive) - not that any of these were actually manufactured in the UK.
"Britain’s Conservatives have been openly reassessing their climate change promises after a special election result in July that was widely seen as a thumbs-down from voters to a tax on polluting cars."
"But Conservative lawmaker Alok Sharma, who chaired the COP26 international climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, warned that it would be “incredibly damaging … if the political consensus that we have forged in our country on the environment and climate action is fractured.”

The measures dreamed-up by the previous Conservative government were simply unrealistic. The roll-out of electric vehicle charging points nationally and the infrastructure to supply them will be impossible to achieve as originally inferred.
The current 'fight-back' from London residents (and possibly an equal number travelling in to London for work or other reasons) affected by the recently introduced £12.50 daily ULEZ charge within all London postal districts. We are seeing a significant unification of people against this imposition that effects the very people who are unable to afford a newer ULEZ compliant vehicle or paying perhaps £75 a week to work or trade in London.
We are now seeing highly mobile teams of unknown and so called 'Blade Runners' initially cutting power supplies to ULEZ monitoring cameras and/or spraying paint over the lenses to more dramatic actions like using chain cutters to cut-down poles that the cameras are mounted-on, 'torching' camera control boxes and using private vans and trucks to block-in parked mobile ULEZ camera vans and deface them with paint, letting down tyres etc.
As soon as the London Mayors office sends a team to repair the cameras the 'blade runners' will immobilise or cut them down. Not too much of this is reported by the media but a very real urban guerilla war is quietly happening out in London Suburbs and our government must by now be very aware of the strength of public feeling relating to matters such as this and other proposals.
 
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C5Steve

CCCUK Member
He's right to push this deadline back in line with other EU countries, the problem is it was never attainable and shouldn't have been pushed through. This along with other policies which would force people to make major changes to their homes such as the introduction of heat pumps etc aren't well researched and lack the planning needed for wider implementation.

However, he's right that the UK is far ahead of most countries when it comes to this agenda and I'd prefer to see more pressure on the worst contributors rather than our rush to net zero that globally will have very little (if any) impact.
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
He's right to push this deadline back in line with other EU countries, the problem is it was never attainable and shouldn't have been pushed through. This along with other policies which would force people to make major changes to their homes such as the introduction of heat pumps etc aren't well researched and lack the planning needed for wider implementation.

However, he's right that the UK is far ahead of most countries when it comes to this agenda and I'd prefer to see more pressure on the worst contributors rather than our rush to net zero that globally will have very little (if any) impact.
Talk to any central heating engineer about heat pump installations and they'll tell you they steer well away from installing them by choice, generally only installing if designed and specified by a third party (like a specialist building services consulting engineer or manufacturer)........logic here being from the installers perpective is there will be a very high likelyhood of call-outs for significant adjustment and fettling of the system both when commissioning the system and later during the warranty period getting it to perform as designed.
If the heating installer had designed the system himself he would bear the cost of any subsequent site visits - hence the reluctance to install such a system. However if a third party designs and specifies the product and installation any additional costs for the installer to 'fettle' the system would normally be born by the specifier/manufacturer.
 

Chuffer

CCCUK regional rep
The governments proposals were never credible in the first place and totally unachievable in the timescales they set . There was no cohesive plan set out to show how they planned to meet these `pie in the sky ` statements that were nothing more than an attempt to gain political support and future votes . These politicians are so out of touch with reality it beggars belief . They would not need to make embarrassing and political suicide ` backtracks ` if they didn`t make such stupid and unattainable statements in the first place . The whole concept of binning gas fired boilers and insisting all homes are fitted with ground source heat pumps is fundamentally flawed as a building needs to be designed and built from the ground upwards to be efficient with GSHP . Retro fitting it to millions of old design and constructed buildings just will not be effective or efficient . I was involved in the mechanical & electrical services and heating , ventilation and air conditioning services in buildings much of my career .
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Maybe even worse here in the USA
As they now want to ban :

Natural gas ;

clothes dryers
Cooking stoves and ovens
fireplaces
hot water tanks, etc


Small gasoline engines such as

lawn movers
Motorcycles
leaf blowers
snow blowers, etc


Yet been reported it takes 10 years for people to break even on what they paid for an electric vehicle,
yet cannot afford the costs when new batteries are needed

Reported thousands of gas based engine vehicles in the USA, being stolen,
taken up to Canada, put on ships and taken as far as Africa and sold with new fake VIN # and titles
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
Reported thousands of gas based engine vehicles in the USA, being stolen,
taken up to Canada, put on ships and taken as far as Africa and sold with new fake VIN # and titles
Much the same as here - organised crime gangs stealing high-end Merc's, BMW's, Audi's and Range Rovers being stolen to order and shipped out to Africa and perhaps Eastern Europe. Same cars are also being stolen by 'Chop Shops' over here and stripped for high value parts.
 
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teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Much the same as here - organised crime gangs stealing high-end Merc's, BMW's, Audi's and Range Rovers being stiten to order and shipped out to Africa and perhaps Eastern Europe. Same cars are also being stolen by 'Chop Shops' over here and stripped for high value parts.

Arlington, Texas Police are on the lookout for a Blue 2023 Corvette that was stolen at gunpoint on early Tuesday morning.

Officers say a man was leaving a local drug store just after midnight when a car drove up to him as he was about to enter his car. The Corvette owner was held at gunpoint and had his keys, wallet and other personal effects taken.
The owner was then pushed to the ground and the suspect drove away in the Corvette.

A security camera captures both the stolen Corvette and what is believed to be a gray sedan, with the suspect’s three partners following after him.
 

phild

CCCUK Member
Much the same as here - organised crime gangs stealing high-end Merc's, BMW's, Audi's and Range Rovers being stiten to order and shipped out to Africa and perhaps Eastern Europe. Same cars are also being stolen by 'Chop Shops' over here and stripped for high value parts.

Car theft, burglaries, shoplifting and the like are proliferating, mainly, as a result of the police lack of resources and lack of willingness to intervene. I have first hand experience of the car theft phenomenon and I, along with several other victims of the same thief, just got crime numbers. It took a private detective agency just one day to track down the culprit and persuade him to hand back the vehicles and parts he had purloined, just too much for the police though. :rolleyes:
 

Stingray

CCCUK Member
My favourite in the US is California's attempt to mandate battery powered locomotives on the railways, a technology that doesn't exist.

But at least the American Dream has had a decent run. Unfortunately the British dream of miraculous return to a bygone age of world domination in any chosen field. All you have to do to get Brits believing like the congregation at a US religious convention is to use a combination of any three from the following words and phrases,
Spitfire
Empire
Queen and country
WW2
World Cup 1966
NHS
Winston Churchill
or the words "world beating" at the start of any sentence.

Can I get a witness!
 

Roscobbc

Moderator
My favourite in the US is California's attempt to mandate battery powered locomotives on the railways, a technology that doesn't exist.

But at least the American Dream has had a decent run. Unfortunately the British dream of miraculous return to a bygone age of world domination in any chosen field. All you have to do to get Brits believing like the congregation at a US religious convention is to use a combination of any three from the following words and phrases,
Spitfire
Empire
Queen and country
WW2
World Cup 1966
NHS
Winston Churchill
or the words "world beating" at the start of any sentence.

Can I get a witness!
I love the references from politians to our supposed world leading and major automotive manufacturing industry! - is it the the same one that killed itself some 40 plus years ago with 'world leading' disasterous labour/union/employer relations? - is it the same one that is currently owned and run by Japanese, German, French or other overseas companies? - again the same one that supposedly 'excels' in the design and manufacture of low volume hi-spec luxury or sports cars that once again is now dominated and owned by middle and far east owners?
The only reality is perhaps the last paragraph "design and manufacture of low volume hi-spec luxury or sports cars" and the F1 racing industry (although not really relevant to the domestic auto business)
 

Invetterate

CCCUK Member
Car theft, burglaries, shoplifting and the like are proliferating, mainly, as a result of the police lack of resources and lack of willingness to intervene. I have first hand experience of the car theft phenomenon and I, along with several other victims of the same thief, just got crime numbers. It took a private detective agency just one day to track down the culprit and persuade him to hand back the vehicles and parts he had purloined, just too much for the police though. :rolleyes:
That's amazing and truly worrying...... Glad you got a good result though
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Con Job continues
Interesting here in the USA all we see in the news is how the King is always sucking up ton of fuels flying all over the place
Considering it now reported that British born are no longer the majority (44%) of the UK,
Shouldn't the King be riding around on a camel ?

Ahead of general elections next year, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak decided to revise a host of policies aimed at achieving ‘net zero carbon emissions’ by 2050.
Sunak vowed to pursue a “pragmatic” approach to hitting the climate target. He also announced ‘an easing of energy efficiency targets’ for rental properties, and backtracked on nonsense plans to make homeowners replace gas boilers with heat pumps.

Al-Jazeera reported:

“’We can adopt a more pragmatic, proportionate and realistic approach to meeting net zero’, Sunak told a news conference on Wednesday, saying a ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars would be pushed back from 2030 to 2035.”
The decision comes amid widespread concern over the financial cost of the government’s ‘net zero’ goal.

With next year’s general election, and Sunak’s Conservative Party badly trailing in the polls behind the Labour opposition, Sunak decided at long last to tackle the rampant cost-of-living crisis that has seen food and housing costs spiral.
It also helped that a viral campaign against the expansion of a ‘vehicle pollution toll zone’ by London’s Globalist Labour Mayor Sadiq Khan triggered calls among conservatives to rethink climate commitments.

“Stressing that ‘no one can doubt’ the reality of climate change, Sunak said he was a firm believer both in net zero and the UK’s ability to achieve it.

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But he added that ‘too often motivated by short-term thinking, politicians have taken the easy way out, telling people the bits they want to hear, and not necessarily always the bits they need to hear’.

‘We haven’t had an honest conversation about these issues in a long time. It’s not enough to just announce these targets – great headlines in the short term – to will this thing to happen. That’s not right’, he said.”


The move sparked anger among opposition lawmakers, climate alarmists, the electric car industry and even some Conservative MPs.
In the vein, in July, Sunak approved hundreds of new oil and gas licenses in the North Sea, off Britain’s east coast, angering all the usual groups.

“Mr. Sunak said it was now up to opponents, including Labour, to explain why hard-pressed families should pay thousands of pounds to move faster than other countries in tackling climate change.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today program: ‘They should explain to the country why they think it’s right that ordinary families up and down the country should have to fork out five, 10, £15,000 to make the transition earlier than is necessary’.”

Sunak claimed Britain ‘was already a world leader in tackling climate change’. Britain’s target to reduce carbon emissions is by 68 percent by 2030, compared with EU average of 55 percent, a US target of 40 percent and a Canadian goal of ‘just’ 20 percent.

“The PM said people with ‘more ideological zeal’ about climate change ‘just don’t care about the impact on families’ and insisted his green shift was ‘not about politics’.”

This could prove a differential at the next election from Labor’s extremist climate proposals.
“In a major intervention last night, the PM announced that grants for installing heat pumps would rise by 50 percent to £7,500 in order to encourage take-up. But he said it was not reasonable to force households to switch to a system where upfront costs can be £10,000 or more.”

The PM tried to emphasize the position of reforming ‘green policies’ from inside, and not alienating the population to the point where they would completely bail on it.

“Sunak said he was changing the policy because previous governments had moved too quickly to set net zero targets, without securing the support of the public.
‘If we continue down this path, we risk losing the British people and the resulting backlash would not just be against specific policies, but against the wider mission itself’, he told a press conference.”
 

Chuffer

CCCUK regional rep
My favourite in the US is California's attempt to mandate battery powered locomotives on the railways, a technology that doesn't exist.

But at least the American Dream has had a decent run. Unfortunately the British dream of miraculous return to a bygone age of world domination in any chosen field. All you have to do to get Brits believing like the congregation at a US religious convention is to use a combination of any three from the following words and phrases,
Spitfire
Empire
Queen and country
WW2
World Cup 1966
NHS
Winston Churchill
or the words "world beating" at the start of any sentence.

Can I get a witness!
Here in the UK the North Staffordshire Railway built BEL 1 ( Battery Electric Locomotive Number 1 ) in 1917 . Amazingly it continued in service with British Railways until 1964.
It is now preserved in the National collection at York Railway Museum . It was only used for shunting duties and could pull four times its own weight at 11 mph for up to four hours . One wonders how long the recharging process took and935315f63ba647000f1780653cad15a5.png all those heavy ` wet cell ` batteries stored under the two wooden ` bonnets aka hood ) must have have weighed a few tons !!
 

teamzr1

Supporting vendor
Car theft, burglaries, shoplifting and the like are proliferating, mainly, as a result of the police lack of resources and lack of willingness to intervene. I have first hand experience of the car theft phenomenon and I, along with several other victims of the same thief, just got crime numbers. It took a private detective agency just one day to track down the culprit and persuade him to hand back the vehicles and parts he had purloined, just too much for the police though. :rolleyes:

How bad is crime in Oakland, Ca?
So far this year according to Oakland police 10,547 vehicles have been reported stolen from January 1 through September 17, a 51 percent increase over last year and more than double from 2019.
Reported car break-ins are lower than thefts at 10,335 because most victims don’t bother to report the break-ins anymore, reported KPIX-TV.
Oakland has a population of about 440,000 according to the 2020 census.

Many of the stolen cars are used to commit other crimes or are stripped for parts, however with Oakland being a major port city, it is likely some of the stolen cars are being shipped overseas by crime rings or driven south across the Mexico border.
 

Jimmy

Regular user
Made the USA news here today,
Bet your King is not happy with this ?

London – Prime Minister Rishi Sunak announced Wednesday that he’s delaying by five years a ban on new gas and diesel cars that had been due to take force in 2030, watering down climate goals that he said imposed “unacceptable costs” on ordinary people.

The move angered green groups, opposition politicians and large chunks of U.K. industry, but was welcomed by some in the governing Conservative Party, who chafe at the expense of switching to renewable energy.

At a news conference, Sunak said he was moving the deadline for buying new gasoline and diesel cars from 2030 to 2035, and also delaying a ban on new natural-gas home heating that had been due in 2035. He said he would keep a promise to reduce the U.K.’s emissions of climate-warming greenhouse gases to net-zero by 2050, but “in a better, more proportionate way.”

Sunak argued the U.K. was “far ahead of every other country in the world” in transforming to a green economy, but said moving too fast risked “losing the consent of the British people.”

“How can it be right that British citizens are now being told to sacrifice even more than others?" he said.

The government has previously boasted of Britain being a leader in cutting carbon emissions. U.K. greenhouse gas emissions have fallen by 46% from 1990 levels, mainly because of the almost complete removal of coal from electricity generation. The government had pledged to reduce emissions by 68% of 1990 levels by 2030 and to reach net-zero by 2050.

But with just seven years to go until the first goalpost, the government’s climate advisers said in June that the pace of action is “worryingly slow.” Sunak’s decision in July to approve new North Sea oil and gas drilling also spurred critics to question his commitment to climate goals.

Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who brought in the 2030 gasoline car target when he was leader, said businesses “must have certainty about our net-zero commitments.”

“We cannot afford to falter now or in any way lose our ambition for this country,” he said.

News of plans to backtrack broke as senior politicians and diplomats from the U.K. and around the world – as well as heir to the British throne Prince William – gathered at the United Nations General Assembly in New York, where climate is high on the agenda. Sunak is not attending, sending his deputy instead.

Greenpeace U.K. policy director Doug Parr said the prime minister was “taking the public for fools.”

“Rowing back on home insulation and commitments to help people move away from gas will ensure we stay at the mercy of volatile fossil fuels and exploitative energy companies,” Parr said.

Environmentalists were not the only ones blindsided by the move. Automakers, who have invested heavily in the switch to electric vehicles, expressed frustration at the government’s apparent change of plan.

“We’re questioning what is the strategy here, because we need to shift the mobility of road transport away from fossil fuels towards sustainable transport,” said Mike Hawes, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, an industry body.

Ford U.K. head Lisa Brankin said the company had invested 430 million pounds ($530 million) to build electric cars in Britain.

“Our business needs three things from the U.K. government: ambition, commitment and consistency. A relaxation of 2030 would undermine all three,” she said.

Analyst Tara Clee of investment firm Hargreaves Lansdown said the retreat could undermine Britain’s hard-won reputation for leadership on green technology, threatening the wider economy.

“The market has been directing capital to the net-zero transition and has been working in good faith,” Clee said. “These changes send a message that nothing is set in stone, and committing in earnest to a movable goalpost could be a major business risk.”

Britain’s Conservatives have been openly reassessing their climate change promises after a special election result in July that was widely seen as a thumbs-down from voters to a tax on polluting cars.

The party, which trails behind the Labour opposition nationwide, unexpectedly won the contest for the suburban London Uxbridge district by focusing on a divisive levy on older vehicles imposed by London’s Labour mayor, Sadiq Khan. Some Conservatives believe axing green policies is a vote-winner that can help the party avoid defeat in a national election due by the end of next year.

“We’re not going to save the planet by bankrupting the British people,” Home Secretary Suella Braverman said Wednesday.

But Conservative lawmaker Alok Sharma, who chaired the COP26 international climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, warned that it would be “incredibly damaging … if the political consensus that we have forged in our country on the environment and climate action is fractured.”

“And frankly, I really do not believe that it’s going to help any political party electorally which chooses to go down this path,” he told the BBC.
The two biggest cons in the history of mankind,the green new deal and Covid.Prince Harry dancing on stage with no shoes, and using hundreds of gallons of diesel to get there.
 

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