Are we still convinced that electric vehicles are the best way forward?

[Young Bill]

Oh my, just came across this thread..... you old carbon burning fella's have no love for the EV eh. Some amount of mince on the thread with most of the stuff debunked at three years old. Here's my tuppence worth. The infrastructure is still fine. Petrol, diesel, lpg is also flammable and needs copious amounts of water (but mainly foam) to extinguish, can also reignite. And when there are power outage you need to remember that petrol pumps run on electricity too

 

[Roscobbc]

Scenario for post 2035 (when manufacture of ICE powered cars becomes illegal in UK, Europe and other supposedly 'developed' countries)
1. Continued manufacture of ICE powered vehicles by 'renegade' non-compliant and third world countries with existing car plants 'feeding' continual demand for ICE powered vehicles.
2. Annual consumption of Petrol and Derv starts to reduce. Oil supplying countries, fuel refineries, distributors, wholesalers and retailers will be forced to increase wholesale and pump prices in order to cover for the reduced volumes of fuel sold at the pumps.
3. Year-on-year as conventional older ICE powered vehicles are forced to be scrapped (due to unavailabilty of parts and difficulties in continuing to meet emission standards) volumes of ICE fuel consumed will reduce in successive years further increasing costs at the pumps (for the reasons in 2. above).
4. Our own HMG will look to further increase fuel tax as nett tax and Vat revenues significantly reduce (due to the reasons in 1. and 2. above)
5. Synthetic fuels whilst having limited availabilty currently never actually materialise as cost effective alternatives to petrol and derv as HMG refuse to consider reduction of taxation levels (to make synthetic on par with conventional fossil fuels). Even further fuel increases due to ever increasing downturn in petrol and Derv usage as per 2. and 3. above)
6. Classic car ownership becomes an increasingly expensive 'luxury' due to costs of fuel but oddly a logical alternative (to those who will be able to afford to use them) to any remaining ICE powered cars manufactured between the 1980's and 2035. This will be due to unavailability of electronic componentry and non-servicability of suitable diagnostic equipment.
7. At various points during the decade following 2035 the UK's unmaintained road network will multiple suffer massive gridlock scenarios where thousands of stranded electric vehicles will be 'marooned' possibly for days at a time while waiting for recovery services.

 

[Chuffer]

Might as go and shoot myself now !!!!!!

 

[Young Bill]

Might as go and shoot myself now !!!!!!

Use electric bolt gun. Gunpowder produces too much emissions .

 

[Young Bill]

Scenario for post 2035 (when manufacture of ICE powered cars becomes illegal in UK, Europe and other supposedly 'developed' countries)
1. Continued manufacture of ICE powered vehicles by 'renegade' non-compliant and third world countries with existing car plants 'feeding' continual demand for ICE powered vehicles.
2. Annual consumption of Petrol and Derv starts to reduce. Oil supplying countries, fuel refineries, distributors, wholesalers and retailers will be forced to increase wholesale and pump prices in order to cover for the reduced volumes of fuel sold at the pumps.
3. Year-on-year as conventional older ICE powered vehicles are forced to be scrapped (due to unavailabilty of parts and difficulties in continuing to meet emission standards) volumes of ICE fuel consumed will reduce in successive years further increasing costs at the pumps (for the reasons in 2. above).
4. Our own HMG will look to further increase fuel tax as nett tax and Vat revenues significantly reduce (due to the reasons in 1. and 2. above)
5. Synthetic fuels whilst having limited availabilty currently never actually materialise as cost effective alternatives to petrol and derv as HMG refuse to consider reduction of taxation levels (to make synthetic on par with conventional fossil fuels). Even further fuel increases due to ever increasing downturn in petrol and Derv usage as per 2. and 3. above)
6. Classic car ownership becomes an increasingly expensive 'luxury' due to costs of fuel but oddly a logical alternative (to those who will be able to afford to use them) to any remaining ICE powered cars manufactured between the 1980's and 2035. This will be due to unavailability of electronic componentry and non-servicability of suitable diagnostic equipment.
7. At various points during the decade following 2035 the UK's unmaintained road network will multiple suffer massive gridlock scenarios where thousands of stranded electric vehicles will be 'marooned' possibly for days at a time while waiting for recovery services.

Can you give me the lottery numbers as well? Asking for a friend that doesn't have a time machine like yourself.

 

[Chuffer]

Use electric bolt gun. Gunpowder produces too much emissions .

Sod the emissions , I want to go out with as big a bang as possible and lots of smoke too !!!

 

[CaptainK]

Being a responsible parent, I'm trying to get my child, and my young nieces and nephews into electric cars. Sadly they all seem to just want to take advantage of the speed and power of the electric cars and just drive like maniacs. I wouldn't mind so much, but its always the parents that are having to move the sofa out of the way to retrieve the crashed cars.

 

[Chuffer]

Being a responsible parent, I'm trying to get my child, and my young nieces and nephews into electric cars. Sadly they all seem to just want to take advantage of the speed and power of the electric cars and just drive like maniacs. I wouldn't mind so much, but its always the parents that are having to move the sofa out of the way to retrieve the crashed cars.

Get them friction drive cars like I had as a `nipper` then you will be totally eco friendly and no need to generate electricity !

 

[teamzr1]

Who would buy one of these knowing the costly batteries could be degraded ?

Hertz's stupid decision to buy 100,000 Teslas has backfired badly, but it does mean cheap EVs are up for grabs.

The car rental giant began to sell off its stock of Teslas a year ago due to a lack of demand from customers who prefer gas models.
Bosses also said they wanted to offload the cars due to very high repair costs.
With slow demand, Hertz is being forced to sell the electric vehicles at steep discounts.

In the past week, a Hertz customer shared a deal on a 2023 Tesla Model 3 for just $17,913, less than half its retail price of $38,990.
In January, the company said that the proceeds from the sales would go to funding more gas powered cars.

It is a departure from its previous target that 25 percent of its overall fleet would be electric by the end of 2024.
In 2022, it said it would buy up to 65,000 EVs over five years from Polestar. That was just months after it ordered 100,000 cars from Tesla.

The selling of the EV fleet aligns with a large trend in the US auto market, in which demand for electric cars have fallen greatly

 

[Roscobbc]

Who would buy one of these knowing the costly batteries could be degraded ?

Hertz's stupid decision to buy 100,000 Teslas has backfired badly, but it does mean cheap EVs are up for grabs.

The car rental giant began to sell off its stock of Teslas a year ago due to a lack of demand from customers who prefer gas models.
Bosses also said they wanted to offload the cars due to very high repair costs.
With slow demand, Hertz is being forced to sell the electric vehicles at steep discounts.

In the past week, a Hertz customer shared a deal on a 2023 Tesla Model 3 for just $17,913, less than half its retail price of $38,990.
In January, the company said that the proceeds from the sales would go to funding more gas powered cars.

It is a departure from its previous target that 25 percent of its overall fleet would be electric by the end of 2024.
In 2022, it said it would buy up to 65,000 EVs over five years from Polestar. That was just months after it ordered 100,000 cars from Tesla.

The selling of the EV fleet aligns with a large trend in the US auto market, in which demand for electric cars have fallen greatly

Wonder what the Donald thinks about Geely/Volvo being 'bed-fellows' - are they actually manufacturing/assembling the the USA yet?

 

[teamzr1]

Since Geely is China and bought Volvo earlier this year and crap China pulls, Trump is not their friend
Esp since it was found, China has taken control of the Panama Canal which USA built with many American lives
and now what the PC is charging our military and other ships to go through that canal very high costs

Once Trump yanks all the tax dollars been given to nameplates for EVs and people that buy those, I rather think
fewer nameplates would want to build EVs here

Maybe build them in the UK

 

[teamzr1]

The British government is giving carmakers eight weeks to submit views on the phaseout of new gasoline and diesel cars, as ministers consider easing sales quotas that electric vehicle manufacturers are struggling to hit.

The Department for Transport has committed to removing combustion engine cars from sale by 2030, but is now asking the industry whether its plan to meet that goal is viable. The consultation will ask whether “flexibilities” baked into the current system are working properly to support manufacturers.

The consultation comes amid fierce industry criticism of the government’s sales quotas for zero-emission vehicles introduced by Conservative former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s administration, which include fines for manufacturers that fall short. Labor Business and Trade Secretary Jonathan Reynolds said last month the quotas, which require 22% of new cars and 10% of new vans sold by each manufacturer this year to be zero-emission, are not working as planned.

Despite heavy discounting, manufacturers are struggling to meet the quotas electric vehicles accounted for 18.7% of the UK car market between January and November. According to the Energy and Climate Intelligence Unit think tank, the industry will meet the target this year only because the EV sales mandate takes into account credits earned from selling hybrid vehicles.

Vauxhall-owner Stellantis NV last month blamed EV rules for its plan to shut a van factory in Luton, putting around 1,100 jobs at risk, while Ford Motor Co. has also cut jobs in the UK due to EV sales failing to pick up as quickly as hoped.

Mike Hawes, chief executive of trade group the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, has previously criticized the government’s “build it, and they will come” approach to the EV transition. “The fact is, we are building them, but they aren’t coming in sufficient numbers to buy,” Hawes said last month.

The Department for Transport said the consultation will not back away from the 2030 target to stop selling gasoline and diesel cars, but will look at further support measures for the industry and also consider which hybrid cars can be sold alongside zero emission models between 2030 and 2035.

“Over the last few years, our automotive industry has been stifled by a lack of certainty and direction,” Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said in a statement. “This government will change that.”

The consultation closes Feb. 18.