Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Sounds a right PIA .
First C3 Vette and luvin it :)
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Chuffer
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Sounds like a good plan to to the bearings as well now you have stripped down this far , then you know it`s all ok for the future . As for that big 28 pounder hammer , wielding it was easy , I just thought of anyone that had really pee`d me off and let rip !!
Yes i found it had great reviews and used by many on a commercial basis for there vehicles.
I found the Rust Preventive paint. a reat pain in the arse to apply, runs to easy even with a thin coat. I have to yet apply the black straight to metal chassis paint. but that will be going over on its own. its said to get even better results over the rust preventive paint.
If i was to let rip with a hammer of any sort there would be little left of anything if i thought of people that annoyed me. To many idiots these days. OK i am getting old. But my Hero is after all Victor Meldrew
I found the Rust Preventive paint. a reat pain in the arse to apply, runs to easy even with a thin coat. I have to yet apply the black straight to metal chassis paint. but that will be going over on its own. its said to get even better results over the rust preventive paint.
If i was to let rip with a hammer of any sort there would be little left of anything if i thought of people that annoyed me. To many idiots these days. OK i am getting old. But my Hero is after all Victor Meldrew
Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Me and you both Waynio , my wife recons they modelled Victor Meldrew on me !! The older I get the more I prefer animals .Yes i found it had great reviews and used by many on a commercial basis for there vehicles.
I found the Rust Preventive paint. a reat pain in the arse to apply, runs to easy even with a thin coat. I have to yet apply the black straight to metal chassis paint. but that will be going over on its own. its said to get even better results over the rust preventive paint.
If i was to let rip with a hammer of any sort there would be little left of anything if i thought of people that annoyed me. To many idiots these days. OK i am getting old. But my Hero is after all Victor Meldrew
Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Vis a vis black primer , I will look up the manufacturer of the paint we use on the steam loco restorations . It dries within minutes to a satin black smooth finish that is a joy to work with . I have been painting the bare steel of the boiler 
with it and it must be good to withstand the high temperatures it is subjected too . Don`t suppose it`s cheap though . I will back on the job on Friday so will note the details of it .
with it and it must be good to withstand the high temperatures it is subjected too . Don`t suppose it`s cheap though . I will back on the job on Friday so will note the details of it .
Chuffer
CCCUK Member
Been back on the job today and looked up the spec of the paint as mentioned in previous post . It`s Thomas Howes Heat Resistant Matt Black P0027 - UN1263 and heat resistant to 450 Degrees C. Touch dry in 30 minutes . We also use T&P Williamson Anti Corrosive Red Oxide Primer too . Finally finished the power wire brushing and painting the underside of the boiler barrel today by working upside down . 
Now I know how Michael 
Angelo felt painting the Cistene Chapel !!!
Now I know how Michael Angelo felt painting the Cistene Chapel !!!Reminds me of days being stuck under boats for days sanding and painting them, i sooooo dont miss that.
I googled for the paint but not able to find any for sale, but for stove paint. which ,may well be the same or similar as the code P0027 come up on there website.
Anyway i have once again degreased and cleaned back the front end of the chassis. So this weekend i will give a paint if its dry enough. Ill use the paint i have. its good stuff but a pain to apply really. I have some of the Rust preventative lef, not much but maybe enough, but plenty of the direct to metal. Either way job will be done so then i can start to put it all back together again and get it down back on its wheels.
Anyway. other stuff
After cleaning up the starter motor i noticed this
I was tempted to repair it, and then thought sod it buy a new one.
Then i decided to fettle it. Ill get a shorter bolt and fit that to a flattened out flange once i finish it and bolt through the bottom flange only. It may work it may not. But why not try as i can still get access to the bolt.
I have started to grind back the flange for a good flat surface for the bolt head to sit against.
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Chuffer
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It`s a miracle the starter motor didn`t shake itself loose from that failed fixing ! If was me I would bin that heavy old lump and go for a new lightweight high torque starter motor . They spin up the engine far better with less battery drain and you you won`t suffer from the classic ` heat soak` starter motor problems as they are considerably smaller than the standard unit so have a larger air gap between starter and block / exhaust .
As for the paint , I couldn`t find a price either on the web but the company is in the West Midlands .
Sorry didn't pit the li k yp to the starter i am.looking at.
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Forrest Gump
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Sorry didn't pit the li k yp to the starter i am.looking at.
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I’ve had Summits own brand one on my car for the last six or seven years. Fitted easily and has worked perfectly to date. It’s actually a Hitachi unit so a well known manufacturer for what it’s worth! Hundreds of good reviews on Summit.
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The Powermaster one you’re looking at, one of the first reviews says they couldn’t get it to fit a 79 manual C3. You never know the full story but that is a concern.
It the bolt I was more concerned about. Although last night I noticed another bolt hole. I am out thus morning but I'll look again later. Going to paint the chassis aswell today and clean the engine for paint so I'll look more then.I’ve had Summits own brand one on my car for the last six or seven years. Fitted easily and has worked perfectly to date. It’s actually a Hitachi unit so a well known manufacturer for what it’s worth! Hundreds of good reviews on Summit.
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The Powermaster one you’re looking at, one of the first reviews says they couldn’t get it to fit a 79 manual C3. You never know the full story but that is a concern.
Chuffer
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I can`t advise on specific model for you as my lightweight mini starter is on a 1980 Auto . Fitting was a doddle but I have the benefit of a post lift .
Forrest Gump
CCCUK regional rep
Yep, I think the stock starter is a staggered bolt pattern, but my block was threaded for both straight and staggered. Sounds like yours is too, maybe they all are.
Well.i spent ages cleaning the engine to go and forget to look at starter mount.
Popped out to take a pic. It's both I reckon. Makes things better still
While I amnhere the chassis has also been wazzed back a bit.
And I removed the brake line so make life easier to be painted. Couple.of ends a re knackered so as I have some brake line and gear I'll see about make new ones up
And had a go with the pickling solution if the headers but not a great of luck there. I have had it I t shed for a good 5 years plus though.
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Think as the starter is off set this will be good.
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Roscobbc
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I am not totally convinced by some of these Mini/geared starters..........perhaps not so bad if fitting to a car with auto transmission as you can remove the bellhousing inspection 'plug' to check the mesh clearance of the pinion/starter ring and 'shim' it. Not so easy to do this on a manual transmissions.Think as the starter is off set this will be good.
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Stock type starter motor pinions have a 'nose' type support bearing which helps to rigidise the starter motor fixing to the engine block. Some stock starter motors had a bracket to the engine block on the front of the starter motor.
teamzr1
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When selecting a starter, make sure you're picking one that the teeth of the gear of it is correct
for the type of tranny the car has as different if manual which has a flywheel and an auto tranny has a flex plate
so gear and amount of teeth is different
Also, who smashed in the header pipe for that end cylinder, as that reduces the exhaust flow for it and
effects of that cylinder's charge ?
for the type of tranny the car has as different if manual which has a flywheel and an auto tranny has a flex plate
so gear and amount of teeth is different
Also, who smashed in the header pipe for that end cylinder, as that reduces the exhaust flow for it and
effects of that cylinder's charge ?
Forrest Gump
CCCUK regional rep
True, but if the engine is on a stand it’s easy to check. (I remember my Summit one was exactly right as it came out of the box - no shimming required anyway).
I suppose the mini starters do seem a bit lightweight compared to the stock one but they do seem to do the job, at least for the amount of use they get on our “hobby” cars. I had more problems with the old stock one that’s for sure.
Waynio you do have the hole for “straight“ mounting (assuming its threaded). I’m not sure if the staggered mount has much benefit, your existing starter has been managing on just one bolt more or less!
My flywheel is 198 tooth, well i counted 85 halfway so near enough.
And well spotted on the header. Not that its difficult not to spot it though hey. I plan to fix that. Not clue what happened as its how it was when it came off. would take a fair old wack to make that dent though.
Yes it is a threaded hole that one aswell.
I want to sort this out and which to get this week if not tonight so i can put my order in. I have decided to try to rebuild the Quadrajet carb so ill order the rebuild ,kit for that. Pain in the arse i believe to tune up so ill research more on that for when time comes to fit.